Prof Martin Neil, Dr Jonathan Engler, & Jessica Hockett PhD

Originally published on 1 February 2024 at Where Are the Numbers? Republished to Wood House 76 on 15 August 2026.

Dr Norman Pieniazek is a molecular biologist, geneticist, epidemiologist with 147 publications in virology and parasitology. Before he retired, he spent 24 years working at the Center for Disease Control (CDC) in the USA. He has also spent time abroad including time working in Spain and Poland.

We first interviewed Norman in October 2023 (here) and at the end of that meeting we agree to do a second round of conversation.

We had a list of topics to discuss, including:

1. Is there any evidence of a “novel” virus?

  • Virus PCR sequencing
  • Novelty/materiality of inserts
  • Phylogenetic trees

2. Can infections in the lung be affected by mucosal tissue injections?

  • Immune system compartmentalisation)
  • Under what conditions does viremia occur?
  • Same for sepsis

3. Clones and Variants

4. Flu shots – do they work?

The video can be viewed here:

The conversation took place on Skype, but unfortunately, we accidentally left the document we were sharing on screen, and this means our faces are compartmentalised within tiny boxes for much of the video. Hence, we recommend you simply listen and treat it like a radio broadcast.


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